Warminster Supervisors Give Thumbs-up to New WaWa
Development along Street Road moves ahead while Shenandoah Woods reuse plan tries to tackle HUD roadblock.
Thursday night’s three and-a-half-hour meeting of the Warminster Board of Supervisors covered a lot of ground – literally and figuratively.
In an unusual bi-partisan vote, the Board voted unanimously to approve preliminary plans for land development presented by WaWa. Representatives from the convenience store chain presented their plans for a new store and gas station on Street Road next to the new CVS.
Several Board members expressed concern that the plans allowed for only one entrance and exit onto Street Road. Given the high level of traffic on Street Road between York and Mearns roads, multiple issues were raised concerning traffic backup at the only proposed Street Road access to the popular convenience store.
WaWa representatives explained that traffic entering or exiting the new facility will be able to cut through adjoining properties in order to exit onto Mearns Road.
Neighbors of the proposed WaWa site had asked at previous meetings that any plans not allow for traffic from WaWa to enter or exit onto Orchard Avenue. WaWa’s representative tore up earlier versions of plans that provided access from the WaWa to Orchard Avenue during last night’s meeting, and guaranteed that WaWa will not construct entries or exits into the neighborhood roads behind the proposed site.
Board member Tom Panzer asked that WaWa consider working with neighboring businesses and PennDot to have a new light installed on Street Road near the proposed WaWa site to help control traffic issues.
Supervisor Gail Johnson said he was “very impressed to see that the plans have gone from 89 percent impervious surface down to less than 50 percent.” Noting that all trees and shrubs used in the landscaping for the new WaWa will be native to the area, WaWa reps said that the proposed plan would cause “no stormwater issues for the neighborhood behind the property.”
After questions concerning the underground gas tanks that will be located at the site, WaWa representatives described the safety measures used to protect the underground tanks. Stating that the underground tanks are double-walled, a WaWa’s representative said that their “safety precautions meet or exceed state standards.”
WaWa hopes to “have a shovel in the ground by spring 2012” if all goes well during the rest of the approval process.
In other business, Township Solicitor Michael Savona updated the Board on the progress of the planning process for Shenandoah Woods. The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development rejected a plan for the redevelopment of 199 homes and property at Shenandoah Woods in November 2010.
Savona said the so-called “113 Plan” failed to meet requirements of the Base Closure Community Redevelopment and Homeless Assistance Act of 1994. The act requires that plans to convert closed military bases take into account the needs of homeless people, while establishing the process for homeless service providers to receive base properties at no cost.
The plan for Shenandoah Woods was created by the Bucks County Housing Group and the Philadelphia-based Reinvestment Fund - a national financing company known for investing in neighborhood revitalization projects.
The two groups had planned to rehab the 199 homes and turn them into a mix of 113 single family homes and some twins. A $6 million homeless fund raised though the sale of the homes was planned to benefit Bucks and Montgomery counties.
In its initial rejection of the “113 Plan,” HUD stated that the “plan does not appropriately balance the needs of the communities in the vicinity of the installation for economic redevelopment and other development with the needs of the homeless in such communities." Federal law mandates those classified as "literally homeless" benefit from the land transfer.
The plan must be retooled within 90 days and resubmitted to the land reuse authority for consideration by HUD once again. Savona asked the Board to approve Cooperative, Multilateral and Professional Services Agreements that would allow Warminster Township to participate effectively in the reuse planning process for the “113 Plan” in conjunction with other groups, including the Bucks County Housing Group and the Aldie Foundation.
The Board voted 5-0 to approve all agreements necessary to move forward with Warminster Township’s continued participation in the reuse planning process for Shenandoah Woods.
The Supervisors received a report on the Township’s December 2010 Financial Statement from Linda Major of Major and Mastro, LLC. Noting that final numbers for the 2010 fiscal year will not be fully available until March 2011, Major stated that she expected that the Township’s expected deficit will be closer to $351,000 rather than the anticipated $700,000 figure.
“Once the departments learned of the projected deficit last year,” Major explained, “they cut back significantly. Collectively, the departments were able to save at least $221,000.”
Parks and Recreation ended the year in the black, in part because the department chose to put off capital expenditures once the budget crisis became evident. The Five Ponds Golf Course ended 2010 more than $86,000 in the red.
Further questioning regarding the Township’s budget status revealed that the Township has already spent more than $1 million of the recently received $1.5 million Tax Revenue Anticipation Note.
“We’ve burned through one million already?” asked Supervisor Panzer.
“Yes, we have. We paid bills,” responded Township Supervisor Robert Tate.
The night began on a positive note, however, with the unveiling of the Township’s new 300th Anniversary logo design. Republican Leo Quinn thanked the committee responsible for the success of the Township’s 300th Kick-Off Reception held Jan. 15. The Board accepted Citations from the Bucks County Commission and the Pennsylvania House of Representatives congratulating Warminster on its 300th Anniversary.
Chairwoman Ellen Jarvis said that the citations will be framed and displayed in the Township’s new “Welcome Center,” located in the Township Building. The “Welcome Center” will provide visitors with information on Warminster as well as Bucks County points of interest, and will be open to the public during Township Building work hours.
Steven H. Brush
3:52 pm on Saturday, February 12, 2011
It would be helpful if this story included one basic fact --the location of the proposed Wawa. I am guessing somewhere near Mearns Road on Street Road. But should I have to guess?
James Boyle
4:25 pm on Saturday, February 12, 2011
Fixed. Thanks.
Nancy Schaub
4:05 pm on Friday, March 25, 2011
I am so glad I no longer live in Warminster. Too much building. What is wrong with leaving some open land? As time goes on and building continues, there will be more and more run off problems due to snow melt or heavy rains.
Ellen S. Jarvis
7:14 am on Monday, March 28, 2011
Nancy, where Wawa is proposing to build is currently 100% covered with asphalt or building -- all impervious coverage. To leave it as such would do MORE harm than replacing it with new development that incorporates new requirements under Warminster's Subdivision and Land Development Ordinance (SALDO). With the new SALDO, Wawa will be required to incorporate on-site stormwater management systems as well as ADD trees, landscaping and "green". They will also be adding other improvements to Warminster such as a sidewalk and potentially a traffic light. The latter may not seem like an improvement unless you are a driver or a pedestrian trying to cross Street Road during school or rush hours.
I'm proud to live in Warminster, and to serve on its Board of Supervisors, where we have the ability and interest in fixing long-term problems such as the run off that you describe. Try the "new" Warminster, with RESPONSIBLE and SUSTAINABLE development.
Ellen S. Jarvis, Chairwoman
Warminster Township Board of Supervisors
Nancy Schaub
8:10 pm on Monday, March 28, 2011
Ellen, thank you for your reply. I still feel there has been too much building in the township. I spent 3 years in Maine and was horrified when I came home to see what had gone up while I was gone. Warminster was quiet at one time. Now it is like strip mall personified. No beauty anymore, just more and more developers getting rich. I moved to Warminster at a time where there was actually a log cabin at the corner of Street and Norristown. It was a replica of the original Log College and it was beautiful. Did it last? No. I was saddened to see the Miller farmhouse gone with yet more houses in its place. I spent some time in England in the 90s and was so happy to see their respect for their history. Old buildings, especially ones with historic value to an area, are retrofitted to be used for modern purposes. Even McDonald's has to fit itself to the buildings that exist, rather than their being torn down for new construction. We have lost so much - the Christ Home building on Street Road, the little log cabin, so much more gone forever, and more and more neon coming into the township. So, so sad. The more building that takes place, the fewer the places to absorb the water. Even if the site you mentioned if already covered in tarmac, it could be removed and the area could be planted and recovered. When I look at the 250th anniv booklet for the township, I am truly saddened to see what has been lost to "development" - read, going backwards.
Tom Kilcullen
11:48 am on Monday, March 28, 2011
Will the WaWa at Davisville and County Line Rds. remain open after the new is built?
Ellen S. Jarvis
12:28 pm on Monday, March 28, 2011
Yes. The Supervisors have heard nothing different.
Some neighbors suspect that they may reapply to expand that store site once "Whispering Pines" is developed out. That's the new housing complex being built, along with the CVS and bank nearby. But again, we've heard nothing else at this time.
Ellen S. Jarvis, Chairwoman - Warminster Twp Board of Supervisors
Ellen S. Jarvis
10:58 pm on Monday, March 28, 2011
Nancy, I certainly appreciate what you're saying. I'm a history buff ... used to live in a home in Society Hill (Phila.) that was built in 1743 and even dressed in colonial garb when I went outside to clean the original marble steps!
The sad fact is, when I moved into Warminster in 1995, all of the historic sites you've mentioned were long gone. As leaders and residents/taxpayers, we can only do our best to preserve those that remain (e.g., Craven Hall) and the monuments to others now lost (e.g., Log College Monument on York Road); in this, our Tricentennial year, we also honor the history made here and work very hard to preserve the open space we're able to acquire and put in conservation trusts.
For example, we're currently working on getting a portion of the land that was Shenandoah Woods (Navy property at Bristol and Davisville Rds) to keep and/or revert it to green. Those privately-held commercial lots (e.g., the old Brandow site where Wawa is to be built) are both unavailable as well as too pricey to acquire with tax dollars to convert back to woodland.
It's difficult to maintain a balance of responsible and sustainable development, along with providing a tax base that can offset the township's reliance on residents' taxes to support our infrastructure, environment, quality of life, emergency services, etc. We can only ask that developers like Wawa improve the stormwater, traffic, etc. as part of the new SALDO. ~ Ellen S. Jarvis, Chair, WBOS
Nancy Schaub
4:25 pm on Wednesday, March 30, 2011
Ellen I do understand what you are saying - just don't like it. I guess I am a bit of an idealist and don't like commercialism in the name of progress.
Ellen S. Jarvis
4:33 pm on Wednesday, March 30, 2011
I too was once an idealist. And then I got elected!
Thank you again for taking the time to comment and express your views.
Nancy Schaub
4:36 pm on Wednesday, March 30, 2011
Ellen, I worked for the township once - doing so only because I admired the person who asked me to work for him. Other than that, I truly hated the politics, and was almost glad when I had to go out on disability, on which I remain to this day.
Donald Corrigan
1:06 pm on Sunday, April 3, 2011
Just what Warminster Township needs: Another Traffic Light !!!!! Screw WaWa -- they're just trying to put that 7-Eleven out of business. And don't even mention the number of CVSs now in the Township. Warminster used to be a nice place to live. The incessant businesses are ruining it.
Nancy Schaub
1:35 pm on Sunday, April 3, 2011
I could not agree more.
Frank S. Burstein
9:38 am on Monday, April 4, 2011
I've read with interest the above comments. Having been a former Township Supervisor and Board Chairman, I understand Ellen's responses; I have empathy with her. Nancy, I understand your comments and your points, well taken. I too, no longer live in Warminster, but out in Limerick Township, MONTCO. Unfortunately, with State Government reducing their subsidies to the school districts, and many unfunded mandates, our gentrified community has a larger burden forced onto them in higher taxes. In a perfect world, and looking back during that time frame that Nancy refers too, things were quite different. You have to work with what you have, and try to do the best within reason for the entire community. NADC when closed, I was on the Board when that happened was an opportunity to save almost 800 acres of open space responsibly. I was off of the Board when Christ Home requested further development of their land holdings in the Township, and based on what they told us, when we helped them out on a small portion of their holdings back then, and their assurance that the remainder of their land holdings would not need to be developed, I would have voted against their further development. Hindsight is always 20-20. In any event, Ellen's point is well taken. Responsible government, works within the metes and bounds of land preservation, and the community's best interests. Hope that the future bodes well financially for the Township, and further development is minimal. Frank S. Burstein
Joe
2:32 pm on Monday, April 4, 2011
In reply to the above comments, any new business in Warminster brings new jobs to the township and also helps keep the taxes down. It was not long ago that I myself questioned the reasoning of the township for letting the cvs and wawas of the word bring more then one store into Warminster. Think about this though, how long have we had five 7-11 stores in Warminster? Even the expanding number of dunkin doughnuts? Also Wawa > 7-11 any day of the week!
Warminster Joe
2:53 pm on Monday, April 4, 2011
New to the area, I commented earlier on blighted areas- Does the township have any plans to clean up Jacksonville Road? It is very repressed - Warminster Heights Homeowners Association doesn't even look inhabitable.
Ellen S. Jarvis
5:50 pm on Monday, April 4, 2011
Joe, I'm hoping this is good news for you -- although because it means more "development," I'm hesitant to post. The Supervisors have approved the development of a complex on Jacksonville Road that will be called The Station at Bucks County. With it, the old (long vacant) building and what some might call a blighted property known as Drager Medical will be demolished. It is next to the Warminster Train Station. In its place will be high-end apartment complexes that will likely convert to condos over time. It will have a community center, pool, etc. A VERY nice center! Construction has been approved; PennDOT approvals are pending for roadway improvements.
Nancy Schaub
8:58 pm on Monday, April 4, 2011
Frank, thank you for your understanding. Once upon a time - and I moved into the township in 1967 - Warminster still had a country feel. It was a nice place to be. It seemed to be where people moved when they headed out from just over the line with Philadelphia - because they wanted a country feel without being too remote. Now, I hate to say it, but Warminster feels like Levittown to me, and that is not a good thing. There is hardly a place for an eye to rest as you look around, just more and more construction, tearing down whatever history we had at one time, for another business to come in that will probably close within a few years. New business should have to move into vacated spaces, and no new construction should be approved so long as there is a suitable empty place into which they could move - as I said about England - they make do with their historic buildings, fitting them to work. Other towns seem to be able to contain their businesses in a specific area, and retain their history - Doylestown, Newtown, etc. Why can't Warminster? Warminster was so rich in history, so rich, and now it's gone and it cannot be brought back. Before I came back to PA I lived in Maine for three years, and I have to say that I wish I had stayed. The noise level in this area is horrendous and if you want to sleep, you have to close windows at night. What a shame. We do not need two ofs in the township.
Warminster Joe
12:03 pm on Tuesday, April 5, 2011
Hi Ellen, thanks for the response. That is great news, but do you think people will want to pay top dollar living across from Warminster Heights - my neighbors call it Lacey Park? Thanks
Nancy Schaub
5:59 pm on Tuesday, April 5, 2011
Amen, Joe. And I know I would not pay top dollar for that location.
Pookybear
2:57 pm on Sunday, April 24, 2011
Well Nancy and Warminster Joe you seem to have a lot of comments. !967 was 44 years ago and times do change and so does the way of living. This is the United states of America not England, last time I checked we had a war against them to be free. So stop comparing us to them. If you like it so much go back there ! As for Jacksonville Rd. cleanup it is has been better than when you came here in 67' so stop your bitch-en, they have made leaps and bounds compared to what it used to be, and my family called it the gulch Joe so hows that. You both have comments about everything this township does, the board is only trying to make things better. Nancy were do you live now maybe you should worry about there because these times will becoming there to. The township has one of the best emergency services in the Bux-Mont area and that comes from capital funds not sitting idle and letting pass. The log cabin I don't remember and I spent my whole life here so far, 44 years that is. If you want to change things run for a seat and find out how much fun it isn't, so all I have to say to the both of you is put up or shut up.
Kevin Quinn
11:24 pm on Sunday, April 24, 2011
I am very excited for the development of CVS and the eventual Wawa on Street Road. I live in the neighborhood behind the site. I would strongly oppose another light on Street Road. The excess of lights there already pushes speeding drivers into my neighborhood. Despite an obvious danger to children the Township is not willing to make any changes.
P. Christensen
11:53 pm on Sunday, April 24, 2011
I have read all of the above comments and I agree with alot of them. The township IS being built up to much with no open space. Then again, open space like the corner lot at Street and Newtown Roads sits unoccupied year after year. The Wawa was supposed to go there. Instead, it was beat down and the lot sits empty again. If the township is so interested in building, why has that space been empty for over twenty years? And also, why don't the owners of the lot have to "clean" it up? It seems as though there are different rules for different areas.
Kevin Quinn
9:52 am on Monday, April 25, 2011
P. Christensen...evidently you can do whatever you want with industrial/commercial lots in Warminster. For evidence just try to drive from Louis Drive to Mearns on Constance. The owner of the business park dumped debris there about 3-4 years ago instead of fixing his crumbling roads. The Township is planning on taking over the roads instead of forcing the slumlord to fix them.
Ellen S. Jarvis
1:53 pm on Monday, April 25, 2011
Not so, Kevin. The escrow money from the Street Road Industrial Center that's been held for decades is now being used to fix up the streets in the SRIC (including Constance) so that the Township can take dedication of those streets. This is through a hard-fought agreement that the current Board of Supervisors has reached with the owners of the SRIC. It was delayed through acrimony for many, many years -- which caused the debris-dumping you cited. I expect that will be cleaned up in May, and once again, that road will be opened to traffic, including school buses that will be able to access the bus depot. There are many things that get in the way of such agreements over the decades that have passed. Rather than study the "why's", let's just concentrate on the HOW to get the roads improved and continue to make genuine progress in Warminster Township.
-- Ellen S. Jarvis, Chairwoman
Warminster Township Board of Supervisors
Kevin Quinn
2:55 pm on Monday, April 25, 2011
Ellen, I understand the situation very well as I have followed it via the meetings, newspaper, and speaking with a township Supervisor. I feel that the landowner skirted their responsibility to fix the roads by using their escrow funds for storm water.
Could I request a traffic survey once that work is completed on Penrose Lane? The Police could make a fortune on speeders between 7:30 and 9am and 4 to 7pm. I would expect it to get worse once reopened.
Harry
2:13 pm on Friday, April 29, 2011
Harry, before they do any work on Jacksonville roadI would like a tombstone preserved that I found along side the road when I was 13 (now 54). It was covered with mud and I'm sure alot more since. I believe it was a sergeant from the battle of Crooked Billet. I forgot about it for years but thought about it when I read about working on Jacksonville Rd.
MikeB
1:39 pm on Monday, May 23, 2011
This township is quickly becoming like northeast Philly. First it was Billboards and now its becoming totally and corporately commercialized. I have lived here my entire life (35 yrs) and cant believe how much it has changed from the time I used to play manhunt in the corn fields which CenterPoint and the adjacent shopping center(Kohls) are now located. I know times change, but my lord. I currently live in the neighborhood behind where this WAWA is going to be, and the amount of traffic that comes through there now because of all the traffic lights on Street & Yorks roads, has doubled or tripled over the past few years. It also doesnt help with that light at Ivyland Road and Mearns, although I dont know how they can fix that. The only good thing I see about WAWA building there is that at least it wont be dead unutilized space, there is enough of that around. I think a better place for its location would on York Rd., where the 263 Farmers Market is on the weekends( The old Pathmark/Waterloo Gardens). Plenty of room and there is already a traffic light there too.
Eileen
6:23 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
I personally won't be going to any Wawas any time soon; they are becoming bad neighbors, building in places were people don't want them, staying open 24 hours near residential areas. For a place that is ope 24/7 there won't be that many full-time jobs and the tax revenue is probably less that you would think. Makes the suburbs look horrible and contribute to the decline of a neighborhood.
KevinF
1:10 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
I would much rather see thriving business such as WaWa and CVS in that spot than the overgrown run down abandoned used car lot that sat Street & Mearns three years ago when I moved into that neighborhood.
Nancy Schaub
6:39 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
I also will no longer patronize Wawa. I live in Hatboro where we already have one and now they want to put another a few blocks away near the Y. I wish townships would make ordinances banning stores from opening another site within say a 5 mile radius. What is the matter with people today that they need a branch of a store every 3-6 blocks. Ridiculous and causing traffic jams.
Pete Krenshaw
1:22 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
I seriously doubt Wawa alone is going to cause a traffic jam on Street Road or County Line Road unless they are giving away their gas for free. Also, a municipality can not dictate to a business unless it is in violation of the zoning ordinance. Lots of time and consideration is given to zoning changes and its not a matter of preference to deviate from it. Basically, the zoning ordinance is law and a zoning hearing board meeting is a form of a court preceding complete with a stenographer.
To be honest, it makes me wonder what made Eileen dig up an article which is about a year old and post a comment... I am not trying to instigate, I am just curious.
Pete Krenshaw
1:25 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Also, it is up to an individual business owner to decide if they can be viable while in close proximity to similar establishments. Do we really need more pharmacies in Warminster? Probably not but it is not up to the Township to dictate this to a business. To do so would interfere with the "free market".
KevinF
1:15 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
Nancy - Does WaWa plan on keeping both open? Currently, that is the closest WaWa too me. It is a nightmare trying to enter / exit that place. The parking lot is tiny and crowded. WaWa is in the process of phasing out the older smaller stores and replacing them with the larger "Super WaWa" locations.
Nancy Schaub
1:25 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
Pookybear - I believe I am entitled to an opinion, and I am not bitch-en, just expressing that opinion. I lived in Warminster from 1967-1999 and do not feel that anything got better in those 32 years. All I saw was more and more land being swallowed up for businesses, many of which went out of business soon after opening. Well, the log cabin was there, and has been documented by someone who has done historical research on Warminster Twsp. Also, I used to work for Warminster twsp in L&I so I do have some inside knowledge. This is a great country in which we live and one thing that makes it great is the ability to speak one's mind. Just because you do not remember something does not mean it was not there. Warminster has a problem with run off now because there has been too much building, too much ground covered with surfaces into which the water cannot seep, and when water cannot get into the ground, it runs and floods. I remember a few while working for the Twsp in which the road crews were out all night and day trying to handle the water. Where is live now is one town away so what goes in in Warminster still affects me. I do not wish to run for a seat because I do not care for politics, having had an inside view. Again, I am entitled to an opinion, as are you.
Nancy Schaub
1:27 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
Kevin, I am not sure if Wawa plans to keep both open but one at Horsham and York Roads will compromise and destroy an historical property. Nothing is worth that. We are such a young country with so little history left, that destroying the Old Mill House for a Wawa is hardly a worthy exchange.
Cindy Browne
1:12 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
So happy that WaWa has been approved...CAN'T WAIT!
Pete Krenshaw
1:26 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Don't get your hopes up just yet Cindy...Wawa only received preliminary plan approval and that was a year ago. In order to receive final plan approval they still need to address several details including how people will access the site.
ken dolan
3:29 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Isn't the Wawa location the old Gallagher Chrysler/Plymouth lot. I do feel sorry for the 7-11, 99% of the stores are family owned. Hope they can survive. I try to shop family operations as much as possible.